You've essentially made the ultimate solo hunter. Not being detectable on D Scan? Sure it sounds awesome from the side of the hunter but creating a mechanic in which the player has no defense to or can't protect himself from isn't any fun for the victim. You're creating a scenario in which players will have no recourse to protect themselves no matter how skilled, or what fit. The advantage is purely in the hunters had being invisible on both D Scan and cloaked physically they can choose any engagement they want and their victims upon reflecting on their death cannot logically say what they could have done differently to change the outcome of that engagement with the exception of docking up any time anyone comes into system with them.

TLDR Game Mechanics should offer counterplay and reward players for smart choices and decision making. This ship stacks the deck in one side.

It's been said before but it would make a lot more sense if the huginn and rapier weapons systems would be switched.

As it stands the huginn will be a shield boat with 80km webs that has to be within 10k to apply damage with its main weapon system. The majority of shield comps depend on staying at range so it hardly ever gets to use those weapons. Right now some people just fit smarbombs in the gun slots because if the enemy fleet gets into autocannon range you've already lost the fight

Meanwhile the rapier has a covert ops cloak with which it can get to point blank range before the engagement starts. It can also apply damage perfectly with rapid light missiles to 30km and with heavy missiles to 60km.

Unless you are the kind of solo pilot who flies with links and rf point solo pvp still takes place at much closer ranges than fleet fights. Hence the reason for giving the huginn a longer weapon range. I'm also struggling to think of targets than you can kill with the rapier's anemic dps while not relying on the decloak bump to get point before they warp off.

Actually he was a pretty prominent solo pvper called Kil2.

He and a corp mate of mine called Kovorix used to run a podcast and an in game channel called Bringing Solo Back, dedicated like the name says reinvigorating Solo pvp as a thing within eve and he was quite successful at doing this. His PVP videos are still up on Youtube, there are some genuinely good fights in there. Solo in BS and BCs, with some cruisers in there as well.

I used to listen to his podcast a lot, and though I was already a solo PVPer, he and Kovorix inspired me to go out and solo PVP, I used to roam from one end of lowsec to the other looking for goodfights, in all sorts of hulls, but I don't view that playstyle as viable anymore due to the changes to the meta, the increased blobbyness and the changes that have been introduced since he joined CCP.

His roots make it doubly ironic though, that many of the changes he has introduced or failed to object to have made the playstyle he advocated much more difficult, outside of throwaway frigs and destroyers in FW space or nullsec.

Battleship roaming is painful these days, BCs are largely a thing of the past, the meta has changed so that they are rarely used, mostly due to the crazy buffing of cruisers and the warp speed changes which make it painful to roam with these larger ships.

T1 logi is absurdly OP, to the point where you can't break it solo unelss your in a command ship or a BC, most camps or gangs run with multiple T1 logi, larger roaming gangs don't tend to bring T2 logi now, though, where they used to roam with 2 scimis, because they don't want to roam with less reps, so they recruit and bring more people and they bring 4 scythes, it's a change that encouraged blobbing.

Most of the solo and small gang community that I chat with on a regular basis, are deeply dissapointed with him, there are glaring balance issues in the game at the moment, T1 logis, Ishtar's, Geddons, to name just a few, that remain unaddressed despite CCP moving to a release cycle where they could easily take these matters in hand.

Personally I view him as a bit of a hypocrite these days, on the one hand he encouraged solo PVP when he played the game, but now he's working for CCP, he's made the playstyle he promoted something much more difficult. To the point that it is not worth doing in my opinion.

Then try to probe pirate jumping to system and warping to you with site prescanned. Best wishes for your hull and egg.

Drawback is that they are visible on grid, unlike cloaked ships.

Maybe ill find the thrill of being surprised entertaining? Not only that but this is almost a non issue with the already available tools(not dscan).

This coming from someone who exclusively solo pvps. Im not afraid of change. This also enables more solo tactics to utilize and defend against. Making the game more exciting and creating new content/counters.

but pve people are already completely immune to pvp. massive nerfs to your immunity are a good thing.

I have no idea what you talking about. When he's coming out of warp? Deceleration?

You have no idea what you talking about. Perfect conditions? In PvE? I cannot dictate where i will be on site, i go where loot cans are. Sometimes they are close sometimes more than 80 km.

Sure everybody will be using combat probes now, that will create even more content. Everybody in the system will be jumping into safe spots/stations every time i want to find explo site. Ppl are risk awerse. How many stories did you hear about players want to do some pew pew and nobody wanted to engage them?

I honestly don't care so much how far the rapier shoots and if you want to shoot mans solo with it go ahead. But the huginn is just a square peg trying to go through a round hole. It can only barely fit meta 650 artillery and it does so by downgrading its tank to two meta shield extenders. It doesn't have the grid to be a great arty boat, not by a long shot. As it stands the only dps it's going to do in a fleet larger than 5 is going to be with its drones.

Okay, first major update just edited into the OP.

Major changes:

We're going to go with a lighter resist profile than originally described, setting all eight recons at the former combat recon resist profile. While we still like the goal of making them more fleet viable, their tank was one of their only stand-out weaknesses and we felt that removing it could make them oppressive at smaller scales. To compensate somewhat we've trimmed 5 more sig radius of each ship.

With the Pilgrim we decided to split the difference between neut range and strength by wrapping both into one bonus. The amounts will be smaller than either of the singular bonuses but this should do a nice job of giving more engagement range flexibility while still allowing for plenty of cap pressure.

We are going to move one high slot on the Lachesis to a low slot, making armor slightly more viable while still preserving room in the mids for damps as well as long range warp disruption. The damage potential for the Lach is still on par with other combat recons even without the fifth high so we feel this fits better than giving up a mid.

The Rook is getting a little more PG fitting room and trading the 5% HAM/HML rate of fire bonus for a 7.5% kinetic missile damage bonus. This is typical Kaalakiota bonus, gives the same number of effective launchers, and favors RLML over the rate of fire bonus.

Finally, I will say again that the directional scan immunity is staying, though we are very aware of concerns (especially concerning FW site abuse) and will watch closely to see how this new capability is used and make any necessary adjustments.

Have a great Christmas o/

Sorry, yes. 1650 was the armor amount and it got pasted twice :( Fixed now.

From what i see, EvE playerbase (including myself) can be a big disappointment to the devs sometimes.
I mean, what are recons supposed to be? Subspecialty ships, highly specific ewar. They are supposed to be flown and warped APART from main fleets, they aren't supposed to take primary dps, therefore they aren't expected to be tanky or dps ships.
Nevertheless the average EvE (me too) player wants t2 resists and broad damage type in ze missiles.
Dudes they're not supposed to be fleet warped with main dps. They should land at range. Or, they should immediately try to pull range.
Rise I'm sorry for my incompetence.